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Windows 7 SP1 kein Windows Update mehr per WSUS

Hi Leute,

ich habe das Problem das sich diverse Windows 7 Rechner nicht mehr beim WSUS melden nachdem das Service Pack 1 raufgespielt wurde.
Der WSUS an sich läuft er verteielt fleißig an Windows XP Rechner und diverse Windows 7 Rechner ohne SP1.
Der WSUS Server ist ein W2k8.

Bei den Windows 7 Clients mit SP1 kommt das Problem Fehlercode 80244022. Googlen hat mir nicht geholfen bei dem Fehlercode. Durch Google habe ich aber gesehen das es auch einige schon so ein
Problem nach SP1 hatten aber nirgends habe ich eine brauchbare Lösung gefunden...

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99045 20.04.2011 um 11:32:39 Uhr
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Hi,

habt ihr evtl. das Blockierungstoolkit für Windows Service Packs verwendet?

Gruß
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 11:34:44 Uhr
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Nein, es geht ja darum das keine Updates mehr gezogen werden nachdem das SP1 installiert wurde.
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99045 20.04.2011 um 11:38:27 Uhr
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Sorry, da habe ich wohl etwas missverstanden. Aber bei Google hast du sicher den Link gefunden und warst auch schon auf den darin weiterverlinkten MS-Seiten?
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 11:43:28 Uhr
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Ja war ich und Netzwerkeinstellungen liegt des defentiv nicht.
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99045 20.04.2011 um 11:44:58 Uhr
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In dem MS-Artikel ist auch ein Link zum MS-E-Mail-Support, falls die im Artikel angebotenen Tipps nicht helfen sollten. Wie wäre es denn damit?
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Dani 20.04.2011 um 11:49:38 Uhr
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Moin,
versuch mal bitte folgendes:
Verschiebe/Benenne das Verzeichnis "C:\Windows\SoftwareDistribution" und starte das Update nochmal. Ggf. musst du den Dienste vorher noch beenden.

Ansonsten hängt ein Proxy zwischen Client und WSUS-Server?


Grüße,
Dani
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 11:54:57 Uhr
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Hat leider nicht geholfen!
Nein es ist kein Proxy dazwischen sind direkt verbunden. Es ging halt vor dem SP1 ohne Probleme.
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Dani 20.04.2011 um 12:05:52 Uhr
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Führe manuell über die Eingabeaufforderung "wuauclt /detectnow" aus und protokolliere mit Hilfe von WSUS-Updatelogger (http://wsus.de) den Datenverkehr mit.
Danach bitte das Ganze hier posten.


Grüße,
Dani
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 12:23:23 Uhr
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So bitte:
2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	dbc	AU	Triggering AU detection through DetectNow API
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	13b8	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	13b8	AU	## START ##  AU: Search for updates
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	13b8	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	13b8	AU	<<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {545B442F-3656-4A30-9F8D-4A6450BCD155}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	** START **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	*********
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	  * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"  
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	  * ServiceID = {3DA21691-E39D-4DA6-8A4B-B43877BCB1B7} Managed
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:334	 592	122c	Agent	  * Search Scope = {Machine}
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:380	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:412	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:427	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: DownloadFileInternal failed for http://wsus/selfupdate/wuident.cab: error 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Setup	WARNING: SelfUpdate check failed to download package information, error = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Setup	FATAL: SelfUpdate check failed, err = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Skipping scan, self-update check returned 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Exit code = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	*********
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	**  END  **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	122c	Agent	WARNING: WU client failed Searching for update with error 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	>>##  RESUMED  ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {545B442F-3656-4A30-9F8D-4A6450BCD155}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Search callback failed, result = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Failed to find updates with error code 80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	##  END  ##  AU: Search for updates [CallId = {545B442F-3656-4A30-9F8D-4A6450BCD155}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	AU setting next detection timeout to 2011-04-20 15:15:47
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:47:459	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	dbc	AU	Triggering AU detection through DetectNow API
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	dbc	AU	Triggering Online detection (interactive)
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	13b8	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	13b8	AU	## START ##  AU: Search for updates
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	13b8	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	13b8	AU	<<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {D31FDE08-4B08-4A93-9076-A7C1613C7A41}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	** START **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	*********
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	  * Online = Yes; Ignore download priority = No
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	  * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"  
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	  * ServiceID = {3DA21691-E39D-4DA6-8A4B-B43877BCB1B7} Managed
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Agent	  * Search Scope = {Machine}
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Setup	Checking for agent SelfUpdate
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:664	 592	122c	Setup	Client version: Core: 7.5.7601.17514  Aux: 7.5.7601.17514
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:711	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:758	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:758	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:790	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:790	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: DownloadFileInternal failed for http://wsus/selfupdate/wuident.cab: error 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Setup	WARNING: SelfUpdate check failed to download package information, error = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Setup	FATAL: SelfUpdate check failed, err = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Skipping scan, self-update check returned 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Exit code = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	*********
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	**  END  **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	122c	Agent	WARNING: WU client failed Searching for update with error 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	>>##  RESUMED  ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {D31FDE08-4B08-4A93-9076-A7C1613C7A41}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Search callback failed, result = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Failed to find updates with error code 80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	##  END  ##  AU: Search for updates [CallId = {D31FDE08-4B08-4A93-9076-A7C1613C7A41}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	AU setting next detection timeout to 2011-04-20 15:15:48
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:48:821	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	dbc	AU	Triggering AU detection through DetectNow API
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	dbc	AU	Triggering Online detection (interactive)
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	13b8	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	13b8	AU	## START ##  AU: Search for updates
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	13b8	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	13b8	AU	<<## SUBMITTED ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {08B8E74C-59E2-4210-8526-719BB7BAB5C6}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	** START **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	*********
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	  * Online = Yes; Ignore download priority = No
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	  * Criteria = "IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Installation' or IsPresent=1 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' or IsInstalled=1 and DeploymentAction='Installation' and RebootRequired=1 or IsInstalled=0 and DeploymentAction='Uninstallation' and RebootRequired=1"  
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	  * ServiceID = {3DA21691-E39D-4DA6-8A4B-B43877BCB1B7} Managed
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Agent	  * Search Scope = {Machine}
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Setup	Checking for agent SelfUpdate
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:494	 592	122c	Setup	Client version: Core: 7.5.7601.17514  Aux: 7.5.7601.17514
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:541	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:541	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:573	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:573	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:604	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:604	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: SendRequestToServerForFileInformation failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: WinHttp: ShouldFileBeDownloaded failed with 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Misc	WARNING: DownloadFileInternal failed for http://wsus/selfupdate/wuident.cab: error 0x801901f7
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Setup	WARNING: SelfUpdate check failed to download package information, error = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Setup	FATAL: SelfUpdate check failed, err = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Skipping scan, self-update check returned 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	  * WARNING: Exit code = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	*********
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	**  END  **  Agent: Finding updates [CallerId = AutomaticUpdates]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	*************
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Agent	WARNING: WU client failed Searching for update with error 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	>>##  RESUMED  ## AU: Search for updates [CallId = {08B8E74C-59E2-4210-8526-719BB7BAB5C6}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Search callback failed, result = 0x80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	  # WARNING: Failed to find updates with error code 80244022
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	#########
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	##  END  ##  AU: Search for updates [CallId = {08B8E74C-59E2-4210-8526-719BB7BAB5C6}]
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	#############
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	Successfully wrote event for AU health state:0
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	dd4	AU	AU setting next detection timeout to 2011-04-20 15:15:49
Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Report	REPORT EVENT: {91314E96-35FC-4F76-9996-DCF5095912D8}	2011-04-20 12:15:47:459+0200	1	148	101	{D67661EB-2423-451D-BF5D-3199E37DF28}	1	80244022	SelfUpdate	Failure	Software Synchronization	Windows Update Client failed to detect with error 0x80244022.
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:49:620	 592	122c	Report	REPORT EVENT: {865B824D-6BC3-4C25-8E6E-6F004A345A61}	2011-04-20 12:15:49:620+0200	1	148	101	{D67661EB-2423-451D-BF5D-3199E37DF28}	1	80244022	SelfUpdate	Failure	Software Synchronization	Windows Update Client failed to detect with error 0x80244022.
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Line : 2011-04-20	12:15:54:646	 592	122c	Report	CWERReporter finishing event handling. (00000000)
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Dani 20.04.2011 um 12:31:12 Uhr
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Schau mal in der Registry nach HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\InternetSettings\Connections und lösche den Eintrag "WinHttpSettings". Danach den Rechner neutstarten. Ich nehme an ihr habt den Clients den WSUS-Server per GPO zuwiesen und dort steht nur der Computername drin? Bitte mal den FQDN eintragen und nochmals versuchen.

Eben bin ich noch über diesen Artikel gestoßen. Wird dir aber nicht gefallen. Achja, starte den WSUS-Server mal neu und schau in die Ereignisanzeige ob dort Fehler sichtbar sind.


Grüße,
Dani
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 13:58:58 Uhr
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Verdammt das wird es sein...habe per GPO einen winhttp proxy eintragen lassen damit das Windows Update für Treiber ins Internet kommt.
Geht das Windows Update für den WSUS auch über Proxy? Muss ich da was im Proxy eintragen habe Squid am laufen
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Dani 20.04.2011 um 14:00:49 Uhr
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Hmmm.... nimm doch mal die GPO raus und teste es bevor du an der Squidkonfiguration rumschraubst. face-smile
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 14:42:15 Uhr
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Es liegt daran ohne winhttp proxy funktioniert es.
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99045 20.04.2011 um 14:50:52 Uhr
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Ich dachte, du hast die Seite, die ich dir verlinkt hatte besucht? Offenbar hast du wohl doch nicht alles gelesen, sonst wärst du darauf gestoßen:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900935
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 14:53:47 Uhr
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Hab ich gelesen aber in dem Moment nicht dran gedacht das ich das Extra mal per GPO reingemacht habe für das Windows Update für Treiber Geschichten
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Dani 20.04.2011 um 15:13:01 Uhr
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Na also... geht doch. face-smile Einfach dein kompletten IP-Bereich als Außnahme hinzufügen und dann läuft alles wieder.


Grüße,
Dani
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Bullii 20.04.2011 um 15:17:47 Uhr
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Kann man Ausnahmen auch in den winhttp proxy eintragen?

Weil die Eintragungen beim Internet Explorer interessieren den winhttp Proxy nicht welche Ausnahmen da drin stehen.